I too think that the Alphabet existed prior to Israel and agree that it is a mnemonic device. It seems that we both see purpose in the order of the alphabet. Who came up with the purpose seems to be the issue. This leads to my question of why the letters of the words Israel and Zion have such a central place in the alphabet.
Logically, the centrality I argue is either important or is contrived.
I argue against it being contrived in the case of Zion with the even spacing of the letters in the middle of the alphabet (http://yahuah.org/IZCfig3.html) and for Israel (http://yahuah.org/IZCfig4.html) and Zion (http://yahuah.org/IZCfig5.html) having similar mathematical patterns.
If it is important, I see this occurring either by chance or by design (the same does for the order of the alphabet itself).
If by chance, it is quite amazing to me that these two words, so important to the world today, have that place in the alphabet (or that we both use alphabets that can be traced back to the original order).
If by design, I see either a supernatural or a natural force behind it. I can not see how it would be a natural force. As far as supernatural, I personally do not put much stock in Mother Earth.
As an aside, are you familiar with this alternative view:
http://moziani.tripod.com/home/dr_ed08m.htm
"Because of the context of the subject, a series of other
discoveries followed: The Mosaical origin of the alphabet, which
had already been claimed in antiquity by Eupolemus, and suspected
in modern times by Hubert Grimme, late professor of Semitic languages
at the University of Münster proved correct."
I do appreciate your reply; its been on my mind quite a bit.
Carl
on 4/8/01 12:08 PM, AKaulins@aol.com at AKaulins@aol.com wrote:
In einer eMail vom 07.04.01 00:14:40 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit
schreibt
cfelland@artelco.com:
So, you say any pattern I found in the alphabet is coincidence?
I agree with you that the alphabet is a mnemonic device - and
that is a LOT
of agreement, don't you think?
However, I think this mnemonic device existed before Israel.
So, we are not that far apart. I also think there are mnemonic
devices in the
Bible - that is how people remembered the material.
- Andis
Andis,
Thank you for commenting on my website!
I have a lot of homework to do. I appreciate you directing me to a different stream of research than I was familiar with.
Yes, our worldviews are quite different. As a judge I heard in a recent court case said, "No matter how you pour the pancake there are always two sides." I'm still happy to accept archeological evidence that Jerusalem is David's capital;) such as http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/davidjer.html
Concerning the Black Sea Flood
http://home.entouch.net/dmd/bseaflod.htm
I'm obviously not a linguist or a historian and I don't have easy access to a university library, so I'm at a bit of a disadvantage. I'll be looking with a new reference point given your information. I am interested in your history of the word Israel based on Egyptian sources.
So, you say any pattern I found in the alphabet is coincidence?
Thanks again for your response.
Carl
on 4/3/01 8:45 AM, AKaulins@aol.com at AKaulins@aol.com wrote:
> Carl,
> These are just my remarks which came up immediately when
I read your website
> pages. If you do not understand my Baltic, Black Sea connection
to the
> Hebrews - you must read Pitman and Ryan's book on Noah's
FLood - see my
> website.
> I really do think that the Jews originally were what the
Lithuanians now call
> the GUDDA, i.e. "White-Russians".
>
> Yahudah is like Latvian, i.e. Baltic, JaGUODA meaning "must
praise give to".
> YHWH in my opinion :-) is rooted in Baltic DZIEV- "god"
in the sense that
> DZIEV- (DIEV-) means "alive, living, life" as a
root.
>
> Yahushua, "king of the Yahudim" is rooted in my
opinion in the Latvian, i.e.
> Baltic, Augshaya "on high, upper", found also as
the Agushaya hymn of the
> Akkadians - this is on my website. As Sivan - in his work
on NW Semitic texts
> clearly shows - YA is a separate particle added as a modernism
in late
> Semitic.
>
> Israel is in my opinion related as a word to Latvian Iz-rauji
meaning
> "out-taken, since prior to the Babylonian Captivity
(see my website), the
> word Israel did not exist. On Egyptian sources, the term
Israel also appears
> first under the Pharaoh Merenptah. Hence, the term Israel
can have nothing to
> do with the origin of the alphabet, since the alphabet existed
prior to it.
>
> Zion is in my opinion related to Gihon, which was one of
the four streams of
> the Garden of Eden, a hermetic location consisting of the
four cardinal
> directions. Gihon - on earth is and was - Gishon, Giza, the
holy city of the
> pyramids - which I think the Jews built.
>
> The entire chronology of the Jewish people is incorrect.
Artapanus wrote that
> Moses was born in the reign of Chaneferre - a Pharaoh who
ruled ca. 1700 BC.
> See http://www.lexiline.com/lexiline/lexi300.htm
>
> That is the historical evidence. All the rest is handwaving.
No wonder they
> have been unable to find any evidence for the existing of
a King David or
> King Solomon in present-day Israel. They are looking in the
wrong place and
> for the wrong time.
>
> I enjoyed your interesting site nevertheless and wish you
luck in your work.
>
> - Andis
> Andis Kaulins
> J.D. Stanford University
> Lecturer, FFA, University of Trier
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